tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post5073890767763502939..comments2023-06-01T08:13:34.393-07:00Comments on The Eye of the Storm: Will the 'real Feri', please shut up?Storm Faerywolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14168678792107487150noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-62693435384081985102006-09-28T12:12:48.000-07:002006-09-28T12:12:48.000-07:00Hi there,Your post made me smile. I can't imag...Hi there,<br>Your post made me smile. I can't imagine any practicing Feri Witch looking at their teacher with starry eyes. That just seems incongrues to a Feri practice.<br>My practice leads me to dance naked with the Gods in my living room at just past midnight. Then walking around the next day with a huge satisfied smile on my face.<br>The Gods have me singing more and more these days. And I can't sing! <br>Thanks,<br>Swansisterswansisterhttp://swansister.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-84288210632181073272006-09-28T12:14:41.000-07:002006-09-28T12:14:41.000-07:00I agree with you, we should always question our te...I agree with you, we should always question our teachers. I know you're talking specifically about Feri, but i think the best way to learn anything is to question it. :)stealthwwhttp://stealthww.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-67330575080386433192006-09-28T12:18:08.000-07:002006-09-28T12:18:08.000-07:00The stuff does seems to be wildly different than ...The stuff does seems to be wildly different than what some other folks seem to think of as "Feri"...far less emphasis on the Gods, for example. He includes things like shapeshifting as part of Fetch work. I, of course, have taken what he gave me and mutated it once again. Both of us have blended in a lot of the Southern hoodoo stuff that's all over the place here, which works beautifully I might add.<br>I notice nobody tries to start "more Feri than thou" fights with him or me. Possibly that is an advantage to being on the other side of the country from most everybody else, or maybe there are other factors at work.eloriehttp://elorie.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-6752787419914441282006-09-28T12:40:52.001-07:002006-09-28T12:40:52.001-07:00I notice nobody tries to start "more Feri tha...<i><b>I notice nobody tries to start "more Feri than thou" fights with him or me. Possibly that is an advantage to being on the other side of the country from most everybody else, or maybe there are other factors at work.</b></i><br>I've noticed that no one does it <i>to my face</i>... Although I wonder if anyone levels that charge to someones face when they do. Each and every time I have heard someone try to make the claim that someone else isn't really Feri it's when the accused is nowhere near to hear and/or defend themselves. Hmmm... not really the Warrior Ethic that I was taught. ;)<br>I love to hear that you guys are doing shapeshifting as <i>fetch</i> work. That's exciting!faerywolfhttp://faerywolf.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-17895395803927872602006-09-28T12:40:52.000-07:002006-09-28T12:40:52.000-07:00There seem to be two different forces at work here...There seem to be two different forces at work here. One is the nature of our Craft, F(a)eri(e), as an Original Magickal Craft (which means it includes absolutely everything, just like the Universe from which it springs!). The other is 'my line of Feri'. I've said for years that I am so OK with someone saying to me, "you are not BloodRose Faery"; that is perfectly true. And I am also OK with them claiming that certain exercises and deities are *required* for working BloodRose Faery. Yes, Yes...<br>and. Feri, as an Original Magickal Craft, is so far beyond our ability to quantify that it's laughable to try. Now that I mention it, laughing is a great way to respond!<br>For my own well-being, I have cut ties with pretty much the whole online 'community', as it were. I love to stay connected with the Persons I respect in the trad, but I'm so over F(a)eri(e) as a group. <br>Yr on my short list! :)jenyatbhttp://jenyatb.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-85814249256689731162006-09-28T12:47:07.000-07:002006-09-28T12:47:07.000-07:00"And don't hand me that "Feri is par..."And don't hand me that "Feri is paradox" bullshit, because that's a cop-out. (Yes, I know... Feri is paradox... but I really think many of us are abusing that term in order to not have to deal with the glaring logic-hole staring us in the face.)"<br>*applauds* - that and your whole post.snakeyhttp://snakey.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-17776837441823763212006-09-28T12:49:20.000-07:002006-09-28T12:49:20.000-07:00...but I also think that the concerns some people ......but I also think that the concerns some people have with Feri becoming diluted are valid, and can't be dismissed just as them being dogmatic. <br>I'm not sure it can be diluted, and I think the tradition protects itself. I do on the other hand think that people who aren't initiates going around teaching "Feri" is a Bad Thing, and that that is one of the things people have in mind when they express fear that the tradition might become diluted.<br>Change and growth are inevitable and are, paradoxically, the best way to make sure the tradition DOESN'T become diluted...because what makes it what it is has to do with the spark of a living tradition. But that's a different thing than some 20 year old in North Carolina who read EW and decided she could teach Feri and charge money for it. <br>I say nobody has started that kind of fight with me...but really, I haven't seen anyone challenging someone else on the basis of things like what Guardian names they use. Who IS doing that?eloriehttp://elorie.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-48882472324293937452006-09-28T12:55:06.000-07:002006-09-28T12:55:06.000-07:00"But that's a different thing than some 2..."But that's a different thing than some 20 year old in North Carolina who read EW and decided she could teach Feri and charge money for it."<br>....or some fifty-year old, for that matter.... ;)snakeyhttp://snakey.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-41152983463630591332006-09-28T12:56:38.000-07:002006-09-28T12:56:38.000-07:00I think I'm still trying to work my head aroun...I think I'm still trying to work my head around the idea, actually. Because I guess my idea of what Feri is, is "I know it when it bites me in the ass".<br>What I was told, by , is that MOST PEOPLE work with the IP and PP, and there are some simple things passed at initiation, and...the rest is negotiable. Because, according to him, Victor told different people different things at different times, in the first place.eloriehttp://elorie.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-15496165269372367242006-09-28T13:15:08.000-07:002006-09-28T13:15:08.000-07:00Victor told different people different things at d...<i>Victor told different people different things at different times</i><br>Which is one of the things that makes this whole Feri-er than Thou discussion so ridiculous.morrigandaughtrhttp://morrigandaughtr.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-85027672847456262292006-09-28T13:16:43.000-07:002006-09-28T13:16:43.000-07:00Bravo!Bravo!morrigandaughtrhttp://morrigandaughtr.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-33444602855106743222006-09-28T13:39:16.000-07:002006-09-28T13:39:16.000-07:00Well, I'm a student, so I'm not certain ab...Well, I'm a student, so I'm not certain about everything in the tradition, but I HAVE seen the Guardian name thing; there's a LOT of "name" lobbying going on from what I can see.<br>Because of it, I've had trouble balancing my Sabbatic work with my Feri tradition studies. It's nice to hear someone in the tradition tell me I'm not a fuckup antiFeri for seeing the parallels there. Thanks for this post, Storm, I really needed to read this from a reputable Feri. Makes me feel like I'm still on the right path.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-28982828271845882472006-09-28T13:41:38.001-07:002006-09-28T13:41:38.001-07:00Don't know if my previous post went through; L...Don't know if my previous post went through; LJ had a hiccup, but thanks for this post, Storm.<br>If an anonymous post pops up, it was me.stiobhanrunehttp://stiobhanrune.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-51481690765154283872006-09-28T13:41:38.000-07:002006-09-28T13:41:38.000-07:00once again i have to say it: if i were not waaaaay...once again i have to say it: if i were not waaaaay too old and in a monogamous relationship, i would want to have your babies;Dveedubhttp://veedub.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-87486443219267357692006-09-28T14:01:54.001-07:002006-09-28T14:01:54.001-07:00PS: you should post this on dot_feri_snark!PS: you should post this on dot_feri_snark!stiobhanrunehttp://stiobhanrune.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-9243893925831658722006-09-28T14:01:54.000-07:002006-09-28T14:01:54.000-07:00Well... people's perceptions of Feri can be be...Well... people's <i>perceptions</i> of Feri can be become 'diluted', or 'confused', but this doesn't really touch Feri itself, in my opinion.<br>I agree with you about the non-trained, non-initiated people attempting to teach the tradition is a bad thing... and if this were the only circumstance that people cite for Feri becoming 'watered-down' then I wouldn't feel the need to bring this issue up every now and again. But we DO have certain strains of thought in some areas of Feri that use things, like the Guardian names, in order to try and cast doubt on one's "validity" as an initiate or line of Feri. A certain someone (guess who!) <i>teaches his students</i> that Vanthe is not Feri, based on them using a different set of Guardian names than what he was originally taught. It's disgusting, in my opinion, and has prompted me to bring up the argument from time to time. You know... just to keep people on their toes, so to speak.faerywolfhttp://faerywolf.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-86759958866176002752006-09-28T14:04:18.000-07:002006-09-28T14:04:18.000-07:00I was referring to a specific incident, not trying...I was referring to a specific incident, not trying to insinuate that 20 year olds are apt to run out and do that sort of thing :)eloriehttp://elorie.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-88112315142561144402006-09-28T14:10:31.000-07:002006-09-28T14:10:31.000-07:00I have said, and often, that any pratice that a Fe...I have said, and often, that any pratice that a Feri priest does and puts their wild Feri energy into becomes Feri. What are the core practices? There aren't really any, though I would strongly suggest the Iron & Pearl pentacles, Kala, and three souls aliegnment on a very regular basis. I have never viewed the training exercises that my teacher taught to actually be Feri but rather a good magical regimen to get one prepared for initiation. I am very traditionally minded, but that said, I wholeheartedly recommend that those who study with me experiment as much as possible, play with the energy and learn all they can of it by experience. More than anything, for me, Feri is about experience. All the lore in the world won't make someone Feri, even though I love the lore myself.<br>As for students looking at me as the answer to their lives or problems, Ha! I think for the most part I have a healthy relationship with those I teach. Our atmosphere is very open and free, there is a time for seriousness, but beyond that, I doubt any of them would look at me as their Guru. I am too imperfect for that, (and too goofy as well). <br>We all sing and dance different, but what is real for me is the fierceness of the energy, the presence of the fey energys. I pretty much look for that in a person who claims to be Feri. I'll ask their lineage, and if its someone I know I can find out, or I can decide to work with them to see if they are Feri or not. <br>Speaking of singing and dancing, I want to get together with you. I am working in Walnut Creek now, and living in Albany... we should hang out!elemirionhttp://elemirion.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-47983401847971946502006-09-28T14:11:36.000-07:002006-09-28T14:11:36.000-07:00Hey Rune, you and I need to schedule some face tim...Hey Rune, you and I need to schedule some face time....elemirionhttp://elemirion.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-42202645705005308782006-09-28T14:43:19.000-07:002006-09-28T14:43:19.000-07:00sweet!Definitely, we'll need to work that out!...sweet!<br>Definitely, we'll need to work that out! *grins*stiobhanrunehttp://stiobhanrune.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-56669989446103160632006-09-28T15:01:35.000-07:002006-09-28T15:01:35.000-07:00Heya! First of all, I think this is a great post,...Heya! First of all, I think this is a great post, thanks so much. But I feel like I should throw a wrench into this discussion.<br>How do you, personally and professionally, reconcile the <i>"adopt different ritual modalities on a whim depending on the needs of the moment..."</i> approach with the concept, definition and application of <i> tradition</i>? <br>Now I know that you are not advocating an "anything goes" philosophy regarding Feri. But this post seems (to me at least) to beg the question. Because, you know, some things are NOT Feri. Example: giving up your power. Which is, I think, exactly what this post is about. That is, to not give up your power by blindly following. But still.... I wanna ask, where does <i>tradition</i> fit into this rant?anaarhttp://anaar.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-27809509565465772532006-09-28T15:21:38.000-07:002006-09-28T15:21:38.000-07:00One of the merits of geographical distance is that...One of the merits of geographical distance is that I just...miss...a lot of things. It's also a disadvantage at times :)<br>But if it helps, the reason I'm acting so boggled is precisely because my reaction to the notion that what names you call the Guardians makes any damn difference is, "Bwuh?" I mean....those aren't their real names anyway. We don't know their real names. We have some names we call them, and they often pay attention when we do. <br>When dealing with huge, powerful, cosmic beings, the important point about what name you call them is whether they are willing to <i>answer</i> to it or not.eloriehttp://elorie.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-88737912464235799122006-09-28T15:23:49.000-07:002006-09-28T15:23:49.000-07:00That's kind of how I feel about it too. So fa...That's kind of how I feel about it too. So far as my teachers and friends have told me, that's basically true, and really you're only aligning with certain currents within the Feri tradition by using names, which can be helpful to new students. I know that just from standard witchcraft.stiobhanrunehttp://stiobhanrune.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-15898356075837322382006-09-28T15:47:12.000-07:002006-09-28T15:47:12.000-07:00Here's a question: Who owns Feri?Defining som...Here's a question: Who owns Feri?<br>Defining something is a form of laying claim to it, in an exclusionary way. I'm a big fan of boundaries, actually, and I think it's fine for US, us <i>collectively</i>, to lay claim to Feri in various ways, realizing all the while that <i>it</i> has a claim on <i>us</i>.<br>But for one person, or faction of people, to define it in a way that's meant to undermine everybody else? Nah. <br>I am told that in the state of California you cannot legally own a cat, you can merely harbor one. Which, knowing cats as I do, sounds like a remarkably sensible way of looking at it.<br> I think Feri is like a cat :)eloriehttp://elorie.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13919887.post-13546263300554867972006-09-28T15:58:06.000-07:002006-09-28T15:58:06.000-07:00A thought-provoking post, Storm. Thanks for shari...A thought-provoking post, Storm. Thanks for sharing it.garan_duhttp://garan_du.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.com